I heard they were back on tour. I really could use some new BtoC.
Totally devout. ...( 6 months ago by 13smyluckynumber)
Totally devout. But I'm guessing your being sacastic. But hey, I think your something like me, stubborn to the very end. So, you won't beleive me, that's your choice. At least I let you know what I beleive.
Actually, you ...( 6 months ago by planetery)
Actually, you didn't 'tell' me what you believe- you just tossed out some vague "Jesus is the answer" jingoistic catchphrase. Seriously, kid- leave the theological discussions to the grownups. You're 14. You can't really have an opinion- you haven't even been born yet.
Why can't a teen ...( 6 months ago by 13smyluckynumber)
Why can't a teen have an opinion? I'm a person too, I know how to think, and I do. And, actualy, I was born 14 years ago. I know my stuff. And leaving the theological discussions to the grownups? I don't think so. In some ways, I think I'm more mature than you. You don't see me going around and calling people cowards and having monkeybrains, do you? You don't have to be an adult to read and think. I believe that Jesus is the one and only way to heaven.
You can have an ' ...( 6 months ago by planetery)
You can have an 'opinion', but that's all. I'm not being dismissive to you personally- you simply haven't been around long enough to acquire not only the knowledge base but the wisdom to even be able to formulate an informed thought on the single most important and vexing subject ever known. Being 14 & saying "I know the answer- it's Jesus" is basically like saying that you're on the same intellectual level as Steven Hawking- you feel me?
Yeah, I get your ...( 6 months ago by 13smyluckynumber)
Yeah, I get your point, but it's pretty hard to judge someone you don't know personally. Well, I did tell you my opionin, so I don't think there's much else I could do. I just have a question, are you from the masonic church? and if you look at God through all the religions, where do you think you go when you die?
Again, no judging. ...( 6 months ago by planetery)
Again, no judging. It's more like math. I belong to nothing. (cool that you sussed the Masons as being more church than club, though) When you die, you go the same place as everything else does. I don't believe in hell (just a tool for behavior modification). There is no damnation. All beings return to the source eventually...
Must be horrible. ...( 6 months ago by 13smyluckynumber)
Must be horrible. I personally love the thought of heaven and have no doubts about hell, but whatever. Must be hard some days not thinking that you're going anywhere when you die. Anyway it seems our argument is over, so if I offended you any, I'm sorry, but I hope that you thought about what I said. Goodbye!
Array( 6 months ago by planetery)
Uhhhh... The source is god. Therefore, returning to the source IS going to heaven. The only difference is there is no hell behind you. Basically you either proceed to heaven or hang out here in the lesser dimensions (yes, kids, its time to apply dimensional physics to spiritual constructs...).
okay, whatever. ...( 6 months ago by 13smyluckynumber)
okay, whatever. I'm not in the mood to argue about where we go when we die. I just know that what the bible says is true. And that this song is amazing.
Why would you start ...( 6 months ago by planetery)
Why would you start a discussion you're not actually interested in? And how, exactly, do you KNOW? I base my opinions on empirical evidence...
Okay, I say I ...( 6 months ago by 13smyluckynumber)
Okay, I say I wasn't in the mood, not that I didn't want to discuss. It was my way of saying later. And I can't explain the way I know, I just do. Like when I went to this worship and speaker sevice thing, you could feel the Holy Spirit in the room.
Okay- so you feel a ...( 6 months ago by planetery)
Okay- so you feel a spiritual presence in the room. When your brain searched its memory banks for confirmation of the sense data it was receiving, it came back with 'the Holy Spirit' because that's the only thing that anybody's told you it could be. But what if it was just god, plain & simple? You were exposed to a certain kind of energy & the people there told you it was Jesus or teh Holy Spirit when really it's just god (not God, you dig?)- the same god that people feel all over the world.
Actually, no. ...( 6 months ago by 13smyluckynumber)
Actually, no. That's not what anybody's told me it could be, and well, there have been other cases, but I've just never told anyone, and I'm not going to post it on YouTube, so you'll just have to believe me.
Oh, Planetary! I'm ...( 3 months ago by bygracealone2000)
Oh, Planetary! I'm so glad you're still around! I read your comment 3 months ago, and have prayed for you on and off since then. I'm glad to see you're still asking questions. Have you read any of C.S. Lewis' books? Not the Narnia books, altough I love those, but "Mere Christianity". It might explain things in a way you can understand since it was written on an intellectual level. The difference in following Jesus should be the change it makes in you. Listen to 'Shine' by the Newsboys.
Thank you. I will ...( 3 months ago by planetery)
Thank you. I will definitely check that out. :) See everybody? Polite & conscious discourse breeds more polite & conscious discourse! hee hee (oh, my last three months have been excellent, btw, so maybe I owe you thanks for that, too!)
I'll bet you keep ...( 3 months ago by bygracealone2000)
I'll bet you keep things interesting! I'll keep you in my prayers. Let me know if there's anything in particular. Obviously I can't make any guarantees. God is not answerable to me, but he loves you as much as He loves me, so who knows what He might do.
Hee hee. Well, you ...( 3 months ago by planetery)
Hee hee. Well, you know what I would say- You ARE god. So the question is really 'are you answerable to yourself?' :) Or something. Words are imperfect. I hope you can what I'm saying anyway.
So. . . define god.( 3 months ago by bygracealone2000)
So. . . define god.
Array( 3 months ago by planetery)
LOL 'Define' GOD? I wouldn't dare. That whole concept is what I'm trying to help us move away from. (Like, the entire theology debate is rooted in the presupposition that you believe in Something that's bigger & smarter than you. It is, therefore, certain folly to even attempt to define that which by it's nature is beyond any and all definitions you may have for it.) That said, the answer to your question would be related to E=mc2 & source field potentialities...
Well, that, I guess ...( 3 months ago by bygracealone2000)
Well, that, I guess is my point. You called me a god, with your tongue tucked neatly in your cheek, no doubt. You don't even know me, other than lumping into your preconception of Christian. I just had to laugh. I had hoped you'd be too intelligent to define god or God. I can tell you most certainly that I am neither. And I definitely believe in that 'Something' as strongly as I believe in oxygen keeping me breathing. Why? I would need much more the '300 characters' to explain.;) back to u
Array( 3 months ago by planetery)
Still LOL. I didn't call you A god. I called you god (& I was serious, thanks). You are to god as water molecule is to ocean. Period. As far as a relatable concept in Christianity, it's like the true mystical meaning of the Trinity- father, son, spirit, right? But it's not about 'Jesus'. Basically, it's a cosmology. You have god, man, and the spirit which unites, and all three are one. In other words, there is nothing that is not god. Or, in mathematical terms, E=mc2.
I have to disagree ...( 3 months ago by bygracealone2000)
I have to disagree (surprise?). Yes, there is the Trinity. And man, being made in His image is a triune being (body, soul, spirit), but not everything is god. Only an example. Somewhat like your water molecule/ocean example. You remind me of a friend who proved in his logics class that there was no difference between a door and an orange. Theory is fun to play with, but I wouldn't want to eat the door. So what are your other interests?
Please don't be ...( 3 months ago by bygracealone2000)
Please don't be angry. The 'dumb kid' was in a university and a wonderful human being. I'm sure it comes as no surprise to you that I'm not anywhere near as educated as you. As far as cosmology goes, I believe that God created everything. The world is too well laid out and intricate for it not to be "Intelligent Design". A blade of grass is amazing, much less the human eye or our solar system, etc. Please don't be offended. I thought you had a good sense of humor. I won't rib you. 4give?
Seriously, kid- leave the theological discussions to the grownups. You're 14. You can't really have an opinion- you haven't even been born yet.
I'm a person too, I know how to think, and I do. And, actualy, I was born 14 years ago. I know my stuff. And leaving the theological discussions to the grownups? I don't think so. In some ways, I think I'm more mature than you. You don't see me going around and calling people cowards and having monkeybrains, do you? You don't have to be an adult to read and think.
I believe that Jesus is the one and only way to heaven.
Being 14 & saying "I know the answer- it's Jesus" is basically like saying that you're on the same intellectual level as Steven Hawking- you feel me?
I belong to nothing. (cool that you sussed the Masons as being more church than club, though)
When you die, you go the same place as everything else does. I don't believe in hell (just a tool for behavior modification). There is no damnation. All beings return to the source eventually...
Anyway it seems our argument is over, so if I offended you any, I'm sorry, but I hope that you thought about what I said.
Goodbye!
The source is god.
Therefore, returning to the source IS going to heaven.
The only difference is there is no hell behind you. Basically you either proceed to heaven or hang out here in the lesser dimensions (yes, kids, its time to apply dimensional physics to spiritual constructs...).
And how, exactly, do you KNOW? I base my opinions on empirical evidence...
Have you read any of C.S. Lewis' books? Not the Narnia books, altough I love those, but "Mere Christianity". It might explain things in a way you can understand since it was written on an intellectual level. The difference in following Jesus should be the change it makes in you. Listen to 'Shine' by the Newsboys.
See everybody? Polite & conscious discourse breeds more polite & conscious discourse!
hee hee
(oh, my last three months have been excellent, btw, so maybe I owe you thanks for that, too!)
I'll keep you in my prayers. Let me know if there's anything in particular. Obviously I can't make any guarantees. God is not answerable to me, but he loves you as much as He loves me, so who knows what He might do.
You ARE god. So the question is really 'are you answerable to yourself?' :)
Or something. Words are imperfect. I hope you can what I'm saying anyway.
'Define' GOD?
I wouldn't dare. That whole concept is what I'm trying to help us move away from.
(Like, the entire theology debate is rooted in the presupposition that you believe in Something that's bigger & smarter than you. It is, therefore, certain folly to even attempt to define that which by it's nature is beyond any and all definitions you may have for it.)
That said, the answer to your question would be related to E=mc2 & source field potentialities...
I had hoped you'd be too intelligent to define god or God. I can tell you most certainly that I am neither.
And I definitely believe in that 'Something' as strongly as I believe in oxygen keeping me breathing.
Why? I would need much more the '300 characters' to explain.;) back to u
I didn't call you A god. I called you god (& I was serious, thanks). You are to god as water molecule is to ocean. Period.
As far as a relatable concept in Christianity, it's like the true mystical meaning of the Trinity- father, son, spirit, right? But it's not about 'Jesus'. Basically, it's a cosmology. You have god, man, and the spirit which unites, and all three are one. In other words, there is nothing that is not god. Or, in mathematical terms, E=mc2.
You remind me of a friend who proved in his logics class that there was no difference between a door and an orange. Theory is fun to play with, but I wouldn't want to eat the door.
So what are your other interests?
I'm sure it comes as no surprise to you that I'm not anywhere near as educated as you. As far as cosmology goes, I believe that God created everything. The world is too well laid out and intricate for it not to be "Intelligent Design". A blade of grass is amazing, much less the human eye or our solar system, etc.
Please don't be offended. I thought you had a good sense of humor. I won't rib you. 4give?